405 D Cambelt

Discussion in 'Peugeot 405' started by Harry, Nov 8, 2005.

  1. Harry

    Harry Guest

    Will shortly be embarking on my first cambelt change.
    405 1.9D non-tubo, non-A/C, non PAS (yipee!)

    Question..
    Having read the Haynes manual, I still can`t see why you have to remove the
    crankshaft pulley. Is it necessary?
    Would rather avoid the this bit if possible, knowing what sods they can be.

    On another note. My clutch has become very heavy, although plenty left on
    it. Anything I can do to `freshen it up` a tad ?

    Thanks very much for any info.
    Cheers, H.
     
    Harry, Nov 8, 2005
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  2. Harry

    nigel Guest

    You need to remove the covers, and you can't get the bottom one off
    with the pulley in place. To get it off can be a sod, yes. You could
    try a local garage and ask them to loosen the bolt with their power
    tools, then do it up just enough to get you home (not too long a
    journey!!).
    Or, what I do if I have to do one at home, is use a 22mm socket and
    long bar. Jack up the O/S and remove the wheel, and under wing trim.
    Put the socket on the bolt and connect the bar to the socket so it
    hangs down. If you then turn the bar clockwise you come up against the
    lower suspension arm. Put the bar straight down again and get someone
    to flick the ignition while you CAREFULLY push against the socket with
    the PALM of your hand. You may need to do this a few times to loosen
    the bolt, and will only work if it is not too tight. I suggest you
    immobilise the engine from starting by disconnecting the pump
    solenoid!
    Only do the second way if you feel confident. Otherwise go for the
    garage suggestion

    Heavy clutch? Could be the cable, the clutch itself or the bushes the
    release arm runs in. Or a combination of any or all. None of which is
    a freshen up solution I'm afraid.
     
    nigel, Nov 8, 2005
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  3. Harry

    Chimp Guest

    Replacing my clutch cable freshened it up for all of a week until it turned
    into lead again.
     
    Chimp, Nov 8, 2005
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  4. Harry

    Harry Guest

    Thanks Nigel and Chimp,
    Nigel, been thinking about your extension bar approach. I can feel in my
    waters that this nut isn`t going to come quietly, so tell me if this is
    possible.
    With the bar running parallel to the ground, could you not stick a small
    bottle
    jack underneath the end of the bar and push the bar up using the weight of
    the
    car/engine to force the nut off ?. Or alternatively, with the bottle jack
    holding
    the bar parallel, just lower the car off its jack to turn the nut ? Is this
    possible
    with the available room ?

    Cheers, H.
     
    Harry, Nov 9, 2005
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  5. Harry

    nigel Guest

    Never tried that, but I would have thought if you can't "shock" it off
    then you wouldn't be able to get it off with a jack. It may be safer
    to try this way--jack up the offside and take the wheel off and the
    trim panel. Put the socket and bar on the bolt. Have someone sit in
    the car, put it in first gear and hard down on the footbrake. Then
    pull hard on the extension bar to turn it anti-clockwise. But in my
    mind this is less effective than "shocking" it off. Once the nut has
    started to undo then it will be quite easy to get off in the normal
    manner. It's just that initial force required to get it going.
     
    nigel, Nov 9, 2005
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  6. Harry

    Brian Guest

    I used this method, but it was tight for a long way. They put some form of
    locktite on the thread.
    I used a 2 foot length of iron water pipe over the bar on my socket set, and
    heaved.
    I was in a sense lucky, as I had ventilated discs, and it is possible to put
    a large screwdriver into the vent holes in the disc and allow that to rest
    against the calliper.
    In my opinion, you are better off using fifth gear than first.
    Brian.
     
    Brian, Nov 11, 2005
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  7. Harry

    Harry Guest


    Thanks for that Nigel,
    Two more (possibly final) questions.....
    Regarding the sequence of fitting the three timing bolts and flywheel rod. I
    have
    read it is awkward to engage the flywheel rod. Is it not easier to fit the
    pump and
    cam bolts first, then fit the crank rod ?
    I`m going to use your method of using the starter to remove the crankshaft
    pulley bolt.
    Is preventing the motor from firing just a matter of removing the stop
    solenoid wire?
    Cheers, H.
     
    Harry, Nov 14, 2005
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  8. Harry

    nigel Guest

    The timing rods--yes get the cam and pump holes in line as close as
    possible, then fit the crank rod through the hole behind the starter
    and turn the engine over on the crank pulley bolt one way then the
    other till the crank rod locates in the flywheel hole. Then fit the
    other three bolts. When you have fitted the new belt and tensioned it
    (automatic on these engines) remove all the bolts/rod and turn the
    engine over to get to the timing position again. Insert the crank rod,
    the cam bolt and just one of the pump bolts. Then loosen the tensioner
    bolts and do them up again. This makes sure all the tension is taken
    up correctly. Then remove all the bolts/rod and carry on refitting all
    parts.
    Yes removing the stop solenoid wire will prevent it from firing.
     
    nigel, Nov 14, 2005
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  9. Harry

    Harry Guest

    Thank you kindly.
    H.
     
    Harry, Nov 14, 2005
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  10. Harry

    nigel Guest

    And I would also say please don't be tempted to remove the crank
    pulley bolt with the timing pin in the flywheel. If the bolt is that
    tight all you will do is bend the timing pin, and I have heard once
    someone doing that and breaking away part of the engine block around
    the timing hole!!!
     
    nigel, Nov 15, 2005
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  11. Harry

    Harry Guest

    If it doesn`t come off with the starter, then I`ll try lowering the car onto
    the spanner.
    Actually, I was wondering if there was an easy way to disable the glowplugs,
    to allow
    max power to the starter ? Maybe unpluging the input to the glowplug relay
    beside the battery
    box would suffice ?
    H.
     
    Harry, Nov 15, 2005
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  12. Harry

    Michael Wain Guest

    I can vouch for the starter motor trick! Worked a treat.
     
    Michael Wain, Nov 26, 2005
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