405 turbo diesel bad to start

Discussion in 'Peugeot 405' started by MacMan85, Oct 11, 2004.

  1. MacMan85

    MacMan85 Guest

    Hi,

    My 1994 405 turbo diesel is becoming more difficult to start in the
    morning. It's done 100k miles and it's taking longer and longer for
    the engine to start - I let the heater light go out then activate the
    starter, the engine turns fine, it fires then stops. It seems to need
    the throttle pedal pressed hard down, then repeated attempts to turn
    it over eventually starts the engine, with a cloud of black smoke
    (assuming that's just excess fuel in the cylinders). Once it's been
    running in the day it starts just fine. I've done nothing to it
    recently except put a can of diesel injector cleaner in the tank.

    I'm hoping someone can point me in the right direction....

    TIA
    Richard
     
    MacMan85, Oct 11, 2004
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  2. What you describe is exactly how I used to have to start diesels before
    heater plugs (glow plugs) were used - Foot to the floor and run the starter
    continuously until the engine not only fires but starts to rev. It sounds
    to me as if a new set of glow plugs would make the world of difference.

    Keith Willcocks
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    Keith Willcocks, Oct 11, 2004
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  3. MacMan85

    Wichita Guest

    Yeah, glow plugs the likely culprit. May be just one.
    If it's the No 1 it's a sod to change, as reported here and by my garage.
    A
     
    Wichita, Oct 11, 2004
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  4. MacMan85

    G.T Guest

    Hi,
    I guess I'd change all the plugs at the same time, for good brand parts
    (Beru, Bosch or whatever, i.e not Halford's plugs).
    Another point : the cyl. no1 is on the gearbox side, the 4 is on fuel pump's
    side. I guess no4 is the hardest to get.
     
    G.T, Oct 13, 2004
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  5. MacMan85

    Wichita Guest

    My mistake, sorry. :/((((((((
     
    Wichita, Oct 13, 2004
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  6. MacMan85

    MacMan85 Guest

    Loooking at the engine, I'd say the No4 is the hardest - it's right
    behind the fuel pump.

    I tested the voltage today and that's ok - a good 12V at the plug
    leads while the orange light is on and for a few seconds after it goes
    out.

    However, measuring the resistance of the plugs, they read about 20
    ohms - so I'd guess they are all pretty poorly. I've ordered 4 new
    plugs and I'm hoping for some success.

    Thanks for all the help!

    Richard
     
    MacMan85, Oct 13, 2004
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  7. MacMan85

    G.T Guest

    Hi,
    Correct, as it's a pre / post heating module (in french PPR = Pré/Post
    chauffe Rapide). Anyway you should hear the relay click.
    At such values, no need to say if it's for each plug (i.e all disconnected
    from live wire) or all in parallel (all plugged to the live, where value
    should be /4) - definitively too high. From my 205's technical book it's
    said about 2ohms per glow plug, a value which should be almost the same on a
    405.
    Good point to replace all 4 glow plugs at the same time, as I explained
    above. If one died, the others should follow (although it isn't an absolute
    rule).
     
    G.T, Oct 14, 2004
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  8. MacMan85

    MacMan85 Guest

    Thanks for the tips about glow plugs! A new set of Beru plugs and the
    car's a different animal! It starts perfectly and runs so much
    better......

    Thanks again,
    Richard
     
    MacMan85, Oct 28, 2004
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