FAP particular filer

Hi,

My Peugeot 406 2,0 HDI has a FAP particular filter.

I am looking for the fuel additive produced made by the company "Rhodia
Electronics & Catalysis" the product is called EOLYS.

More information can be found on:

http://www.rhodia-ec.com/site_ec_us/catalysis/page_automotive.htm

The car has a first generation FAP filter that needs service each 80.000 KM.

Where can I buy the EOLYS product online, cheap?

TIH

 

you will also need the diagnostic equipment to tell the ecu you have
refilled it
unless of course you simply want to supply your own

 

no offence.. but you sure it has a p.e.f. on it? a 406 2.0 hdi dw10ated 110
(rhz) in chassis number don't have 'em on. earliest fitted was 607 dw12 and
406 d9 dw12 all dpx 42 .all the best mark

 

Hi,

My car has the DW10ATED engine with 107 HP,

And yes it has the particular filter, I allready changed it once.

But insted of driving 80.000 KM before changing it, the additive tank was
refilled af 100.000 KM and the fiter was replaced at 130.000 KM.

But why does the ECU need to now how much additiv you added to the tank?

Does anyone have experience with refilling the addivite tank?

TIH

 

Hi,

My car has the DW10ATED engine with 107 HP,

And yes it has the particular filter, I allready changed it once.

But insted of driving 80.000 KM before changing it, the additive tank was
refilled af 100.000 KM and the fiter was replaced at 130.000 KM.

But why does the ECU need to now how much additiv you added to the tank?

Does anyone have experience with refilling the addivite tank?

Must be a odd-ball then cos i work on these bags of shit every day of my
life ,whats in the chassis number is it rhz?,I wouldn't moan as you have
done well to get 100 grand out of it.you ARE supposed to replace the p.e.f.
then top-up the tank AT THE SAME TIME.E.c.u needs to know how much cerine
is in the tank so in turn then it will know how much has been deposited in
the p.e.f.(ive never known cerine run out b4 the service life of the filter
has) sounds like you keep a insanely small amount of derv in the tank or
you have a problem

 

Hi Mark,

The no. is VF38BRHSF 81517234.

Another thing i think you can help me with:

ok, today the car had starting problems again, after cranking the starter
for 3 minutes with out starting, then I disconnected the x3 connecter to
the pressure sensor on the Rail it self.

Then I tried to start the engine again and it started after trying for 4
sec. almost a normal start, but it was like the engine had a hard time
gaining rpm.

Then the engine management light ofcause came on, and the display said
“Anti Pollution Fault”, while the engine was running I connected the red x3
connector to the pressure sensor again. I then drove the car non stop for
about 200KM with out any problems, driving at about 140km/h on the highway.

I the reset the engine management warning, by disconnecting the battery for
about 1 hour, and the connecting it again and starting the car without any
problem, and with not engine management fault.

Infact I changed the pressure sensor on the rail just one week ago, so I
don’t thin it has anything to do with this sensor.

Mark you wrote earlier, that when I disconnected the connector to the Rail
sensor, the ECU would adjust the injection duration, what else could effect
the duration?

TIH

 

Hi again,

I just installed a new fuel low pressure pump, without any effect on the
starting problems.

I think there is a faulty sensor or Vacuum unit, but what can I do?

TIH

 

I think this particular filter is called a 'particulate' filter...

 

DW10ATED<< this is a rare engine in your car 406 (d9) in fact ive never
seen one!!. I myself have a d9 rhz dw10ated without p.e.f a 53 plate .so my
thoughts are yours is an import or one of the very last ones built .when i
say rare i just mean rare in the 406 ,but this engine is pretty common in
other variants i.e. 307( tons!), 607's(a few),807's (a few) even though now
they stopped making this engine type going onto dv6ted (same h/p as ours
110 bhp but less cc 1.6). ok your prob... first of all, please mate don't
change any bits untill we are 150% sure what the prob is ,to me it sounds
like a fuel pressure problem ,but its hard not physically being at the
vehicle.also when you disconnect the battery it doesn't completely erase
the fault code it leaves a intermittent fault .if i were you just for the
sake of a few £££ take it to the dealer just to get the faults read on the
diag/pps machine(diagnostic computers) then we can go from there .where are
you based ?, as you could take it to us and i'll read em myself for free
as a favour .other things you can check in the mean time if you want are>>
when cranking the tacho should flicker on the instrument panel this means
the engine mangement e.c.u. is seeing a engine speed sensor signal (a rare
fault though on this engine to be honest ,but don't rule it out!!),when
switching ign key on you should feel a slight buzz on the fuel filter inlet
pipe (white connector) for around 5 secs this means the low pressure pump
is working (but the pressure may still be low though) i know you have
replaced it but this check then proves the bm34 is working (a relay with a
ecu in it). another one is to try easy start take off the air filter and
spray it in the engine when some one is cranking the engine.This sounds a
bit mad but if your high pressure pump is weak and not creating enough
pressure,the engine will run off the easy start to bring it up to 120 bar
which is just enough to start . Try these for now all the best mark

 

Hi Mark,

Thanks.

The bm34 where is it located on the car?

I can see on the electrical diagram, in my haynes manuel, that there should
be at "Engine Management multifunction relay" (it should be a 15 pole brown
relay).

But where the f* is it installed? maybe the DW10ATED does note have one?

Maybe the bm34 = to whate haynes calles the "Engine Management
multifunction relay"

Do you want me to spray diesel in the air intake?

br.
TIH

 

hi Tih H ,the 406 you have is multiplexed mate. your right the bm34 has
taken the place of the 15 pin relay .the bm34 is located right next to the
battery and has a black lid on it its around 8" long by approx 5" wide
..whip the top off it and it will have a green,black,grey plugs on it (and
some others!) and various fuses. if you can wait a day or 2 i'll get you
the peugeot wiring diagram file. speak soon mark

 

I forgot to mention yes when the vehicle doesn't start ,try EASYSTART not
diesel (LOL) in the air inlet.. as you probably know yourself you can get
it from many motor factor places. al the best mark

 

Hi,

Ok, I checked out the bm34 visually yesterday.

The print of the bm34 is covered with silicon, but on the backside of the
print I could not see any visual damage. It is not easy to get a look on
the print from the top, because the fuse connectors are part of the top
plastic cover. It appears that there is several relay's and transistors
installed on the print.

Please get the diagram. It would be cool if you also could get some
information on how I can test the unit. I have a feeling this is where my
problem is.

Mark do you know what the price of a new bm34 is? Many be I should try
renewing it?.

It appears to me, that occasionally the engine start timing is lost, I can
se that the bm34/15pin brown relay, controllers the High pressure regulator
valve on the high pressure pump, it also controllers the “inertia switch”
(what is that?, and where is it located?) and the low pressure fuel pump.

Is there anything that controls (or could block) the air supply to the
engine during startup?

br TIH

 

Hi mark,

Do you know, has there been any Engine ECU Software updates to my cars
engine since it was produced in June 2002.

Maybe it needs a software update, to the newest version?

br. Thomas

 

Hi,

This morning the car would not start again (ambient temperature about 8 c),
after turning the starter for 1 minute, I injected some Diesel Quick start
in the Air intake.

Then I tried again, and the engine started after 2 seconds.

What can I conclude from this?

Is my High-pressure pump weak?

TIH

 

Sorry for delay in geting back been mega busy.yes it may well be a weak h/p
pump ,you'll need to do it quite a few times though to be 100% it is . if
you want any wiring diagrams put your e-mail address on and i can e-mail
you some.A software download will only alter the software characteristics
to improve running of the vehicle and in other cases mostly if its in a
recall to help stop vehicle cutting out etc.. . a download will not cure
your problem obviously. all the best mark

 

Hi Mark,

The e-mail is.

tih @ dou . dk

This morning i had to use the "Diesel Quick start" again, and the car
started without any diff.

This weekend I drove the car from Denmark to Zurich and back again, it will
go on the german autobann at about 170 km/h for 5 hours without any signes
og problems.

There is no lack of power problems at all.

I covered 2500 km with a aveage of 14,5 km / liter fuel, not bad with that
kind og speed.

The problem is only there during statup, could it be a Air leak in the fuel
system? that only is there when the car and hoses are cold.

What else could I do, to verify that it is a HP problem?.

br. TIH

 

Hi just gonna send you a little wiring diagram as a example.If you need a
specific one/sensor tell me as they are all individual.You will need to
load the prog svg viewer first which is in the folder im gonna send you
..Sorry my mistake i thought you were english!, i was right it would be an
import to me a left hand drive
here's the spec of your car>>>heated seats
electric mirrors
electric rear windows
presence of particle filter
rain sensor
electric seats with memory
sun roof
fold-back mirrors
cruise control
satellite navigation system option
front and rear screen wash
HIFI (JBL) amplifier present
twin-speed fan present
door sill illumination
odometer ABS connected by wire gearbox speed sensor
alarm option
CD changer option



all the best mark

 

Hi Mark,

I need the electrical diagram that shows the all sensors etc. that involves
in the fuel supply.

including the bm 34.

br. Thomas

 

Hi Mark,

Ok, now the starting problem is not periodic anymore.

Every morning when I start the car with a cold engine, It will not fire.

During the last couple of days I used the “Quick start” in the air intake,
and the car started ok.

But today I tried something different.

As you know, I thought the there was an Air leak in the fuel system, and I
wanted to verify this theory.

First I tried to starting the car without any special help, after 2 minutes
without result I stopped trying.

I disconnected the pressure sensor one the common rail, and tried to crank
the engine again. The car started with some difficulties, slowly gaining
rpm. but else It was running ok. After 1 min with the engine running in
idle I switched it off.

If there was any air in the system it now should have gone.

I then reconnected the connector to the rail pressure sensor, and tried to
start the engine again. This time the car refused to start. I cranked the
engine for 1 minute without results.

To verify that it would start again with the pressure sensor disconnected,
I then disconnected It again. Then the F* car fired again slowly gaining
rpm while the car was running in idle I reconnected the rail pressure
sensor connector and took the car for a drive until the engine reached
normal operation temperature (The car had no signs of engine problems
during the ride).

Now I switched the car off, waited for 10 minutes, and tried to start the
engine again. The F* engine started like I was brand new.

So my conclusion:

It can not be an air leak in the fuel system.

When I disconnect the rail pressure sensor, the ECU uses a default value
for another sensor that has a fault in cold condition.

Or

Could the High pressure pump be weak?, if so would the engine show other
symptoms?

I still don’t get any error codes from the ECU, regarding cause of the
fault.

Mark what could the problem be?

Br.
Thomas