petrol in hdi

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by unclebuck, Dec 18, 2004.

  1. unclebuck

    unclebuck Guest

    my old woman decided to put unleaded 10 litres of unleaded in the tank of
    my 306 hdi.
    the engine has not been started.
    where's the best place to drain from, and will i get away with a simple
    drain and re-fuell?

    ... yes, she is blonde!
     
    unclebuck, Dec 18, 2004
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  2. unclebuck

    brian Guest

    Lets not be blondist!

    10% petrol in diesel is about the maximum you should risk. How much was in
    the tank when she added the petrol? If it was almost empty, then if you can
    get 5 or 6 litres out, then fill it up with diesel you ought to be
    ok. The problem is not combustion but lubrication of the high pressure pump
    and injectors.
    I suppose you could also add a bit of oil to the tank to offset the petrol
    too.
    Keep the fuel you remove, and use it to top up the next couple of tankfuls.
    Don't kow where you should drain the tank from, but if you disconnect the
    fuel feed to the filter, point the pipe at a container and turn on the
    ignition, the fuel lift pump should do it's bit. How quickly though I don't
    know.

    Good luck. At least she won't do it again, She is not the first, nor will
    she be the last.

    Brian.
     
    brian, Dec 18, 2004
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  3. unclebuck

    davek Guest

    Garage I know charges £300 for callout, towing and drain, and they keep what
    gets drained out. They use it in old Land Rover.
    Bit of fun, but it could save many a problem. I bought a little box of
    tricks called DieselGuard. About the size of a matchbox, sticks inside the
    fuel filler lid and tells you (in macho American of course) that,
    'This vehicle runs on diesel fuel-diesel fuel only. Warning- fill with
    diesel fuel'.
    No wiring- it's the same technology that gave us talking and singing
    greeting cards.
    About £14.
    DaveK.
     
    davek, Dec 18, 2004
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  4. unclebuck

    in2minds Guest

    my old woman decided to put unleaded 10 litres of unleaded in the tank
    just fill it up with diesel, that much petrol won't harm the engine, did
    the same myself not long ago when we got a new (to us) deisel car after
    driving a petrol car for years
    hair colour has nowt to do with it (c;

    LJ
     
    in2minds, Dec 19, 2004
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  5. unclebuck

    Marc Guest

    NO NO NO


    the HDi should have no petrol in any percentage in its HP pump

    wich run at almost twice the presure as a normal diesel and therefore
    dont react to well to petrol
    you wil ruin the pump and injector doing so
    best is to disconnect the fuelhose just before the filterhousing
    put the car on ignition, the primepump now starts pumping the fuel
    wait til nothing comes out, then fill the tank with some three four
    litres of diesel and pump that out to.

    now put in a little bit of diesel again, and pump til some diesel
    comes out, do not let it run dry however. reconnect the fuelhose.


    use the obsolute fuel for a summer BBQ or a nice campfire
     
    Marc, Dec 19, 2004
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  6. unclebuck

    Bob Minchin Guest

    unclebuck wrote in message
    Drain it fully before you even think of starting the engine. A similar
    'accident' has just cost a mate at work over £1700 because he drove the car.
    High pressure diesel pumps are particularly intolerant of loss of the
    lubrication that diesel has and petrol hasn't.

    Bob
     
    Bob Minchin, Dec 19, 2004
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  7. unclebuck

    G.T Guest

    Hi,
    I'd say up to 10 times the pressure of an old-school Diesel : about 130-150
    bars for a classic Diesel, up to 1200-1300 bars for a HDi.
    And yes, it doesn't like petrol at all.
    Depending on where is the feeding pump (the electric one), I'd rather
    disconnect before the pump (if it's an external one), 'cause I don't know
    how the electric pump reacts with fuel... It may seize it as well (worst
    case).
     
    G.T, Dec 19, 2004
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  8. unclebuck

    davek Guest

    will i get away with a
    But it's not a standard diesel lump, it's hdi. The pump supplies fuel to the
    injectors at a pressure which overcomes cylinder compression pressure. I
    think it's about 5,000psi. Not sure of the technology but it's not designed
    for anything other than diesel fuel. I wouldn't take the chance,-complete
    drain and flush through with diesel.
    DaveK.
     
    davek, Dec 19, 2004
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  9. unclebuck

    Mindwipe Guest

    injectors arent too keen either and they are £250 plus each plus fitting
    also you are recommended to change the pipe too so add another £120 to that
    all plus vat

    drain it all out clear it out the fuel pipes and change the fuel filter and
    you should get through it
     
    Mindwipe, Dec 19, 2004
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  10. unclebuck

    in2minds Guest

    But it's not a standard diesel lump, it's hdi. The pump supplies fuel
    ours is an hdi, 2.2 pug, and AFAICT it had no ill effects, but then I
    only put £3 in (not £9 ish like the OP) and filled it up with £40 of
    diesel.

    LJ
     
    in2minds, Dec 20, 2004
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  11. unclebuck

    Marc Guest

    your right on that, its about 1300 Bar but 150 bar was a hell of a
    long time ago
    the fuel prime pump is an impellor type, is schould not have any
    problem with petrol contaminated fuel as it is the very same type used
    in petrol cars
     
    Marc, Dec 20, 2004
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  12. unclebuck

    Linea Recta Guest

    Linea Recta, Dec 20, 2004
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