Where are the plugs?

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Berisford Jones, Nov 29, 2003.

  1. I went to check the spark plugs on my 16V litre year 2000 406 as I've
    experienced a couple of 'missed beats' lately but was unable to locate them
    in the engine.

    Where are they?

    Further, will I need special tools to remove them?


    Cheers BJ Nottingham UK
     
    Berisford Jones, Nov 29, 2003
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  2. That should read '2' litre!
    Sorry
     
    Berisford Jones, Nov 29, 2003
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  3. Berisford Jones

    Mindwipe Guest

     
    Mindwipe, Nov 29, 2003
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  4. Wind-up?...nope, I'm serious.

    Last time I had call to change a spark plug they were staring straight at me
    when the bonnet was opened.

    That was over a decade ago, had my cars serviced at the garage since.
    However a change in circumstances / attitude / £££'s of garage encouraged me
    to return to 'home servicing and armed with oil, filters and a set of
    expensive (£15.50!!!!) spark plugs I set about the job only to be thwarted
    when I could not locate them. I assumed they would be below the fancy
    aluminium plate that covers the engine top but that revealed only a large
    black plastic blocking with a couple of metal plates that prised off to
    reveal more black plastic blocking without any obvious sign of attachment.

    I didn't want to prise too much for fear of busting something!

    I've since been told that plugs don't require changing for 50,000 miles so
    I've got 15,000 to go. But I'm still curious as to how to get at 'em.
     
    Berisford Jones, Nov 30, 2003
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  5. Berisford Jones

    steve Guest

    they are in the top of the engine under the aluminium plate and under the
    coil packs which sit on top of the plugs, they are bolted down (the coil
    packs)
    however if you are unsure, and not want to risk breaking something then let
    the garage do it. its not rocket science but i would question your ability
    to service your own vehicle if you are stuck on the spark plug stage.
     
    steve, Nov 30, 2003
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  6. assuming he's not driving a diesel.....
     
    Erik Klaassens, Nov 30, 2003
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  7. Berisford Jones

    steve Guest

    in which case if he is looking for spark plugs then he's in big trouble.
     
    steve, Nov 30, 2003
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  8. I think we are past the clockwork wind up stage

    Cars usually run on petrol or diesel these days

    Tony R
     
    anthony redshaw, Nov 30, 2003
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  9. I think we are past the clockwork wind up stage

    Cars usually run on petrol or diesel these days

    Tony R
     
    anthony redshaw, Nov 30, 2003
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  10. Berisford Jones

    steve Guest


    your point being???????
     
    steve, Dec 1, 2003
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  11. So gentlemen,
    the plugs (and any HT wiring) are hidden in
    the top of the engine beneath the coil blocks beneath the metal coil block
    protectors beneath the fancy aluminium plate and I'm sure no one would
    disagree, well out of view.

    They are not, it seems, tucked away in the side of the block under any of
    the masses of other plastic covers that surround the engine.

    Plugs in the top of an engine, well........................ I'll be.

    Though I must say I was a little surprised not to see 'em (hence my request
    for information on this user group) as my '59 Bedford CA, '63 Ford Classic,
    '70 Vauxhall Viva, '69 Sunbeam Rapier, '78 Chrysler Alpine, '82 Citroen
    Visa, '83 Talbot Alpine, '84 Fiat Uno, '85 Ford Escort, '96 Ford Mondeo, '97
    Ford Ka and even the '03 Ka all had / have plugs and leads clearly visible
    into the side of the engine!

    Our '81 and '89 Ford Granada's even had 'em on both sides of the engine!
    Though the '87 Ford Escort the '93 Fiesta and the '95 Peugeot 806 didn't
    have any on account of 'em being diesel.

    (There has been a dozen or so motorcycles with all including my latest
    1200cc '02 model having easily identifiable plugs and leads.)

    But here we have a '00 406 with hidden plugs, amazing!

    So you see it seems, some folks know it all and some, such as I, even at 52,
    have still got things to learn.

    My thanks to the 3 users who contacted me 'off group' with information and
    guidance.

    BJ Nottingham
     
    Berisford Jones, Dec 1, 2003
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  12. Berisford Jones

    steve Guest

    correction, you had a ford mondeo...........did you not? the plugs (assuming
    you didnt have a diesel) are in the TOP of the engine, in fact the only
    difference between all of the cars/engines you mention (apart from the
    mondeo which i have corrected you on) was the fact that they were all single
    camshaft engines, and where a twin camshaft setup is used the plugs are
    "generally" in the top between the 2 camshafts.
    as far as the coil packs are concerned, now commonly used in place of a wet
    coil and distributor unit they are much more reliable and do away with
    moving parts, no more rotor arms and dizzy caps...
    situating them directly on top of the plugs also elimintaes the need for HT
    leads, although some setups still use 2 short ones as each coil pack will
    feed 2 plugs.
     
    steve, Dec 1, 2003
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  13. ............see I'm still learning.

    I bow to your knowledge Steve. The fact is from about 1985 all my vehicles
    have been regularly serviced at the main dealers but a change in my
    circumstances (and £200 odd for a service, how much? the parts at full price
    from Halfords cost £44!.) had prompted me to do my own service on the 406.
     
    Berisford Jones, Dec 1, 2003
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  14. Berisford Jones

    steve Guest

    i admire anyone who wants to service thier own vehicles and save some cash,
    fair play to you, and hey, if you dont ask, you wont find out. just bear in
    mind that sometimes nowadays for the "novice" home technician, or DIY
    mechanic, whichever way you want to put it, there are a number of jobs that
    can be best left to those who have done the job before, straight foreward
    servicing isnt an issue here, but do you plan to renew the cambelt yourself
    when its due?
    i'm a full time technician and speak from experience when i say that
    "certain" DIY mechanics can do more harm than good when they try to save a
    few pounds and attempt the job themselves.
    example : a young chap had a misfire on a mazda 323 16v, thinking he knew a
    bit about engines he messed around with it a bit, butchered the distributor
    to advance the timing thinking it might run better, fitted a new cambelt and
    got the timing 3 teeth out, and then after giving up ran it for a couple of
    months with the misfire until finally bringing it in for us to repair.....
    result : 4 burnt out pistons where the engine had been running so hot they
    had detonated and melted, 12 burnt and cracked valves,
    suffice to say it cost him a new engine....he's given up on home DIY now.
     
    steve, Dec 2, 2003
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  15. Berisford Jones

    Nigel Guest

    I too am a full time technician and I fully endorse your comments. I
    have seen some horrors come into the workshops on the back of a
    trailer, where the owner has tried to "do it himself". They end up
    paying a lot more than if they had brought it to us in the first
    place.
    Know your capabilities, and work within them.
     
    Nigel, Dec 2, 2003
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  16. Berisford Jones

    SimonDS Guest

    hey in defense, spark plug changing is not rocket science, he only wanted to
    know where they were. Some of the replies were a bit wanky. nobody knows
    everything.
     
    SimonDS, Dec 8, 2003
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  17. Berisford Jones

    steve Guest

    he was told where they were, the discussion was about whether or not DIY
    mechanics should or shouldnt be playing with things they might not
    understand. and reasons for and against were both given.
     
    steve, Dec 8, 2003
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  18. Berisford Jones

    SimonDS Guest

    yeh but some of replies originally were of the kind that suggested if he
    can't find the spark plugs he shouldn't be touching cars.
     
    SimonDS, Dec 8, 2003
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  19. Berisford Jones

    steve Guest

    well its his car, only he can make that decision, all we can do is
    advice...and i don't know the chap personally, he might be a reasonably good
    DIY mechanic, but i've met hundreds that arn't and just want to save a few
    bob. its these that sometimes end up making more work than was originally
    there. we all know cars are becoming more and more technical these days and
    we don't like to encourage people to start ripping them to bits if they are
    unsure, i think that applies to pretty most everything in life.
    anyone that used to repair and service cars 30 years ago, and now wants to
    return to doing it themselves after having a garage do it for the last 30
    years will find, as this chap did, that things have changed...
     
    steve, Dec 9, 2003
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  20. Berisford Jones

    Mark Guest

    What's all this *Technician* stuff nowadays
    First Mechanic then Fitters next Gods
    you're all Monkeys get over it ;-(
     
    Mark, Dec 9, 2003
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